Listen with Real Audio: http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/atc/20011213.atc.16.ram

"All Things Considered's" entire program for December 13, 2001 can be found at:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1134780



WNYC's "The Next Big Thing" with Dean Olsher interview with William Tost can be found at:
http://stream.realimpact.net/rihurl.ram?file=realimpact/wnyc/nbt/tnbt121601h.ra

To hear the entire "The Next Big Thing" show


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